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New Post 2007/01/26 11:30
  ChiBin
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Whice dialect is more ancient? 
My friend and I brought up an arguement, which was quite funny.

He thinks Fujianese is the most ancient dialect. Some people believe Fujianese is exactly the same as the official language in Tang dynasty. But it's not proved.

I think Cantonese is ancient, because the Cantonese words and grammar are more concise and....I do not know how to say, the word order of Cantonese looks very much like old time Chinese.

My colleagues do not agree with me. They think the major culture has been developed and spread from middle land of China, containing provinces of Henan河南, Shanxi山西, Shanxi陕西.So their dialects should be as ancient as their culture. But others think the northern provinces were greatly influenced by Mongolian and Manchrian in Yuan Dynasty and Qing Dynasty.

What do you think?

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New Post 2007/01/26 12:16
  Ming
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Re: Whice dialect is more ancient? 

[QUOTE]ChiBinwrote

I think Cantonese is ancient, because the Cantonese words and grammar are more concise and....I do not know how to say, the word order of Cantonese looks very much like old time Chinese.

the northern provinces were greatly influenced by Mongolian and Manchrian in Yuan Dynasty and Qing Dynasty.
QUOTE]

 

I agree.

 
New Post 2007/01/26 16:26
  Toss
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Re: Whice dialect is more ancient? 

Including some of the ethnic minorities's language ?


I am a not Maoist.
 
New Post 2007/01/27 23:47
  ChiBin
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Re: Whice dialect is more ancient? 
I do not think that a language, even if not "widespread", should not be taken in consideration in terms of "oldness" (sorry for my phrasing)... I've seen someone who quoted Max Weinreich "a shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot" (= a language is a dialect with an army and a navy), and I think it is pretty much the same with Chinese ethnical minorities's dialects. Now, I would not be able to say which of them are the oldest. As for the diverse languages among the Han-group, I do not know either. Need some research...

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